tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-203307449470951304.post3660013237501278538..comments2023-05-11T17:35:12.051+10:00Comments on cosmic rapture: getting personalmasterymisteryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15844831221838590812noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-203307449470951304.post-58791177064122238122010-02-13T13:01:15.113+11:002010-02-13T13:01:15.113+11:00cordieb, thanks for your comments. Perhaps one of ...cordieb, thanks for your comments. Perhaps one of the qualities of being a person is the ability to give and receive compliments!masterymisteryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844831221838590812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-203307449470951304.post-10363593188311848592010-02-13T09:56:33.314+11:002010-02-13T09:56:33.314+11:00I'm really enjoying this series on language - ...I'm really enjoying this series on language - has me thinking how language is so um, um, what word should I use.... perhaps, person-al ... What is a person? Depend's on the observer, and no two can observe exactly alike, at least I don't think so. Super cool, mind bending, thought evoking article as always! <br /><br />PLL, C.cordiebhttp://cordiebw.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-203307449470951304.post-52652826449614997502010-02-07T07:12:03.250+11:002010-02-07T07:12:03.250+11:00Hi weirsdo, your point about ascribing personhood ...Hi weirsdo, your point about ascribing personhood is well taken: like so many words/qualities, meaning is in the mouth, (or mind) of the speaker (meaning-maker). <br /><br />It's the prerogative of anyone with a labelling machine to affix labels. <br /><br />I'll buy whales, dolphins and higher primates. Some parrots are said to be borderline. <br /><br />I'm not feeling very personable this morning, having had 2 hours sleep last night. <br /><br />Thanks for your comment.masterymisteryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844831221838590812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-203307449470951304.post-27757781138173843982010-02-06T09:20:40.751+11:002010-02-06T09:20:40.751+11:00From a phenomenological point of view, I suppose a...From a phenomenological point of view, I suppose a person is someone to whom one ascribes personhood. In general, I'm happy to see the circle of beings to whom personhood is ascribed increasing. Besides the possibilities you mention, whales and higher primates now seem to be candidates for personhood in some circles. I disagree, however, with those who honor potential or latent personhood in the nonviable fetus or the braindead, and with those who would extend personhood down the evolutionary ladder.weirsdohttp://pansifiles.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-203307449470951304.post-42838595878656605422010-02-05T23:57:56.950+11:002010-02-05T23:57:56.950+11:00Hi ghostseeker, what you say about deities makes v...Hi ghostseeker, what you say about deities makes very good sense. [So much so that I'm going to turn this comment into a post.] And to that you can add the deification or more strictly reification of forces and fields, as in physics. <br /><br />The attitude or aspect or posture of the physicist towards powerful energies in the Universe such as Gravity or Electromagnetism is similar in many ways to that as might be adopted by a worshiper of a deity eg Pikne the God of Lightning in Estonian mythology. Or Thor. Or Xolotl. Or Jehovah. There's no shortage of thunder and lightning, or wrathfulness, that's for sure. <br /><br />Nor can anyone claim zir posture towards reality or zir belief system is the absolutely exclusively superior or correct or right one under all circumstances, at all times. Leaving the door open for for the possibility that a particular belief system may be 'better' in some sense in some circumstances at some times in some places for some people. After all, there is only one Absolute in the Universe, the Universe zirself. Everything else is relative, generally relative, which is even more relative that specially relative.<br /><br /><a href="http://cosmic-rapture.blogspot.com/2008/08/entangle-meant.html" rel="nofollow">entangle meant</a> shows the similarities in the respective postures of the atheist (as proxy for the physicist), polytheist and monotheist toward such qualities as omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence. Eg the physicist's take on omnipotence: there are forces and powers in the universe, such as gravity, the strong force, the weak force, electromagnetism, and others. All of the powers in the universe, taken together, are all of the powers in the universe. There are no powers outside the universe. There is no power outside the universe. Nothing is outside the universe (except nothing). The universe is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotent" rel="nofollow">omnipotent</a>.<br /><br />Thanks for your comment --- you do strike me as a big person.masterymisteryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844831221838590812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-203307449470951304.post-58734509672605628182010-02-05T20:31:37.195+11:002010-02-05T20:31:37.195+11:00I do think that once someone has committed atrocit...I do think that once someone has committed atrocities, they become sub-human and should not be afforded the same rights as others. I also think that the deities are personifications of powerful energies in the Universe. But the one thing I know for sure is that at 250 pounds, I am a big person, whether I apologize or not.Ornery Owl of Naughty Netherworld Press and Readers Roost https://www.blogger.com/profile/07596105116325246476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-203307449470951304.post-43637542798777385812010-02-05T11:19:41.442+11:002010-02-05T11:19:41.442+11:00Excellent point, Alice, and I totally agree. Lever...Excellent point, Alice, and I totally agree. Leveraging the leeway provided by the metaphorical nature of language, could we say, for instance, that a City's media---newspapers, journals, radio stations, etc---when they report on the City itself, comprise the City's self-awareness?<br /><br />Or even that the cells and/or neurons (people) in the corpus of the City taken together in a gestaltish way, comprise the City's self-awareness?<br /><br />After all, electrical patterns flickering across the neural networks in the human brain, comprise self-awareness. And it is incorrect to say that the whole burden of thought is carried by just one or a handful of neurons. So can we not apply that principle to Cities? That people in ensemble are the City's self awaresness.<br /><br />Thanks for your commment.masterymisteryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844831221838590812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-203307449470951304.post-6666283705175842282010-02-05T09:31:08.539+11:002010-02-05T09:31:08.539+11:00I think being self aware has to be an import part ...I think being self aware has to be an import part of identification of personhood. So a city could be a person if a city can be self aware.Alice Audreyhttp://www.aliceaudrey.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-203307449470951304.post-8797222519137676352010-02-05T07:28:24.289+11:002010-02-05T07:28:24.289+11:00Nessa, I agree. Even though it's a bit like &q...Nessa, I agree. Even though it's a bit like "being good" not necessarily for its own sake but instead on the off-chance there is a heaven,. Thanks for your comment.masterymisteryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844831221838590812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-203307449470951304.post-11290122779476646912010-02-05T04:26:40.482+11:002010-02-05T04:26:40.482+11:00I think we should be nice to everything/being just...I think we should be nice to everything/being just in case they are persons.<br /><br /><a href="http://vanessavkilmer.com/?p=1388" rel="nofollow">13 Characters from Rose and Prince Brendan</a>Nessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07779269921583131094noreply@blogger.com